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Antenna height in the uk.
Topic Started: Friday, 18. September 2015, 17:34 (717 Views)
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Hi. Spoke to me old manager today, who's now in charge of the local planning and enforcement section. Asked him about antennas and his reply confused me tbh. He said max above roof if fixed to a house 1 meter, and if standalone 3 meters off the floor. We'll mines neither lol as it's attached to a scaffold concreted into the ground and fixed to Me shed. Confused here lol, and any advice would be a great help. Thanks :pirate3:
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Well I think that would be classed as stand alone as its not connected to your home although I would just do what I wanted anyway, if no one complains then I doubt no one from the council will bother you
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26PS001
Friday, 18. September 2015, 17:58
Well I think that would be classed as stand alone as its not connected to your home although I would just do what I wanted anyway, if no one complains then I doubt no one from the council will bother you
I'm wrong here lol. He used the term freestanding which when I looked it up means alone and in contact or supported by nothing. It's a minefield this tbh. I know it's £175 for planning permission cus he told me that. Humm freestanding..... Thanks for your reply.
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There is no 'standard' :)

Every different city council has their own regulations, and none of them seem to be clear.

Here in Lincoln, if you live in a council owned property, you have to get council permission to erect an antenna, and if it's a fixed structure ie to the house or brick outbuilding, then you need planning permission too.
Height is 2 metres above highest point of the roof of the property (so chimney in my case).
As mine is fixed to a clothes-post and guyed, it is classed as free-standing, and as such does not need planning permission. Also, because it is a telescopic mast, it is classed as a temporary structure, which gets around any fixed-mast regulations anyway :D.

I had a gainmaster up on T & K's on the house for about a year, roughly 13m to the base of the antenna (flippin' high), and it was only when somebody complained that the council officer said I had to take it down, otherwise (her words) we would not have known about it.
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I wouldn't ask anyone TBH, dont bring attention to the council in the first place, stick one up, if a neighbour complains to the council and they turn up just say ooops really sorry the neighbour only had to ask you and you would have sorted it out.
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You know, its shocking this. We are supposed to live in a free country without a bloody care in the world. I pay a fortune in tax to live here. Shouldn't have these worries. Thanks lads
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Stick it up mate, if they knock on the door just tell them its in the interest of everyone else to have it high up, that way it wont cause any interference with electronic devices such as TV etc. They wont have a clue, tell them its the advice given to every radio operator and as your only trying to do the right thing this is why you went out of your way and extra expense to make sure this never happens. Better to do it right the first time than do it twice. I would just waffle on lol
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I've had a antenna of some sort (different size and makes) on the back my house fixed to the wall by T.K brackets for over 20 year nothing ever been said ,council people are always around my area doing somthing so one of them must of seen one of the antennas at one time they've been big enough LOL , we do own our house so I don't know if that would make any difference
but as everyone has said dont say nothing to the council stick one up and if anyone say somthing just plead stupid and say sorry LOL

I actully had a antenna on the roof of our house where we lived before this one and that was up for 8 year (we owned that house too)
and even back in the old illegal cb Am days when I was a kid I had a Sigma 4 on my mum and dads council house and TBH no body even noticed it until CB got legalise and everyone had a bloody antenna on there house
Edited by Nubster, Friday, 18. September 2015, 18:55.

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I read from the government...

You need planning permission if.....
1. You want more than 2 antennas on your house
2. your antenna is more than 1m in any direction
3. if your antenna is on a chimney and is more than 60cm in any direction
4. if it's on your house and it sticks up more than 60cm above the roofline...

So lots of hope for us there then....

However the good thing about British law is there is often a more sensible get out clause…..

The Town & Country Planning Act 1990
THE 4 YEAR RULE
Any building, engineering or other works which have taken place without the benefit of planning permission, and that have remained unchallenged by enforcement action for 4 years or more, cannot be enforced against. So the erection of a building which goes undetected for 4 years will be allowed to remain.

Which I think is perfectly reasonable. If you build something and no one is annoyed by it for 4 years, you can keep it. Just take a photograph of it (making sure the clock is set on your camera) so you have evidence when it was put up.

Be carful with your camera though, make sure you set todays date and not accidently set the date to be 2010. Believe me those things can be fiddly you lose points if you take the picture before the camera was launched.

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Good thread this am just about to put a new beam up on a 20 ft mast have had a moxon in the bottom of the garden for the last year nobody has complained yet am going to put on the back of the house think around here I could flashing lights on it on nobody would notice :shrug:

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I also read that courts consider antenna complaints to be such a trivial matter they refuse to deal with them. There was some special Latin word for it, but I forget now, or more likely I forgot it instantly after reading it the first time.


I think councils also won't do anything unless someone actually complains, I'm quite friendly with all my neighbours as we are all so close together, we help each other out when we can so I don't think my quite ugly mast and antenna which sticks out like a sore thumb would be reported by anyone. As mine is sort of retractable I sort or got people used to it by putting it up for just a weekend, then a few days and so on. Now I doubt that they notice it.

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My 70ft tower has a 4 ele beam and a imax 2k on top and im 885ft asl with views across to London and my antennas can be seen for quite some distance,they have been there for a few years now with no issues from the local council.I do own a farm but the antennas are close to the house and close to the access road...


As said put it up then wait and see what happens if anything ;)








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Nik Gnashers
Friday, 18. September 2015, 18:14
There is no 'standard' :)

Every different city council has their own regulations, and none of them seem to be clear.

Its like what Nik said there is no standard rule

all that government stuff is just a guideline the councils do there own rules and like he said none of them are clear
the only government ruleing I have herd of was the " THE 4 YEAR RULE
Any building, engineering or other works which have taken place without the benefit of planning permission, and that have remained unchallenged by enforcement action for 4 years or more, cannot be enforced against. So the erection of a building which goes undetected for 4 years will be allowed to remain." apart from that dont inc antennas I was told it was 8 years by someone from my local council not 4 , but as I said in one of my post there also maybe a difference if you actually own the land/property or its rented or its a council own property
Edited by Nubster, Saturday, 19. September 2015, 08:12.

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Nubster
Saturday, 19. September 2015, 08:05
Nik Gnashers
Friday, 18. September 2015, 18:14
There is no 'standard' :)

Every different city council has their own regulations, and none of them seem to be clear.

Its like what Nik said there is no standard rule

all that government stuff is just a guideline the councils do there own rules and like he said none of them are clear
the only government ruleing I have herd of was the " THE 4 YEAR RULE
Any building, engineering or other works which have taken place without the benefit of planning permission, and that have remained unchallenged by enforcement action for 4 years or more, cannot be enforced against. So the erection of a building which goes undetected for 4 years will be allowed to remain." apart from that dont inc antennas I was told it was 8 years by someone from my local council not 4 , but as I said in one of my post there also maybe a difference if you actually own the land/property or its rented or its a council own property
I stand corrected I found out it does sort of inc certain antennas because of engineering or other works which have taken place without the benefit of planning permission part I think

but what about T.V antennas/satalite dishes I've never actully heard of anyone having to get planning permission to put one of those up
Edited by Nubster, Saturday, 19. September 2015, 08:40.

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4 year rule is in force here and 5 min rule also :thumb:

(if you can take down your antenna in 5 mins or less its semi-permanent)








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Cozzmik
Saturday, 19. September 2015, 10:29
4 year rule is in force here and 5 min rule also :thumb:

(if you can take down your antenna in 5 mins or less its semi-permanent)
Yep I've heard that one too Sam the 5 min rule , I also knew of someone who made a tower type thing and mounted it in a car trailer but had it in his back garden and when the tower was fully up the antenna was above the roof of his house and someone moaned to the council about it and when they came around to inspect it they said it was ok cos it could be taken down and it was classed as mobile and not permanent

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but what about T.V antennas/satalite dishes I've never actully heard of anyone having to get planning permission to put one of those up

With sat dishes any more than 1.2 mtrs needs planning permission, my motorised one is 1.1 mtrs.
I agree with andydx103 put it up and see if anyone moans.
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Thanks Guys. You've "ALL" been a massive help and im really gratefull!!!. TBH it just angers me how decent people who wish to pursue a decent hobby have masses of red tape to deal with.
Perhaps I should take to drink, play up and cause merry hell to all the locals, and then id have no guidelines etc. Thanks :thumb:
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So the general consensus of opinion is ,dont ask just do it.A worry about it as and when...................
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Right I've worked out a way round this so both sides get a degree of what the want/expect. This may of been al ready done but my idea is to mount a 2 inch thick piece of scaffold to a tv wall bracket. The wall bracket will then be screwed to the wall at upstairs window height. Predrilled and welded in the centre of scaffold pole will be a 8mm hole and metric 8mm threaded nut welded to the outside. I will then pass my Antenna scaffold through the centre of bracket scaffold from ground level, and mount antenna above the bracket. Will use a stop ring so base of antenna doesn't rest on wall bracket scaffold. Will then insert poles from floor level as and when needed and place end of antenna scaffold into 18 inch long piece of heavy duty building scaffold I've knocked into the ground. Essentially the Antenna will rest at no greater than 1 meter above roof, and be secure when extended to 4 feet above roof height, and not rattle about due to a bolt being screwed in via bedroom window. Lol 😆
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