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help CB has gone dead silent
Topic Started: Friday, 26. June 2015, 11:31 (1,091 Views)
Jaydetonator
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26 Charlie Tango 1752

So im new to CB etc so I went out and purchased a:

Team TS-6M CB RADIO
The brand new TS-6M is a full multi norm CB mobile radio of the latest generation. Conveniently, via key push, the user can switch between six available frequency norms, considering the different countries’ regulations. This feature makes the TS-6M Full Multi Norm the perfect companion for travels through entire Europe.
Due to its small dimensions, the TS-6M requires very little space. The elements are arranged in a clear order and are illuminated for better contrast in the dark.
The receiver reception of the TS-6M is outstanding. And for communication with stations in close proximity, the RF-Gain allows to lessen the receiver’s sensitivity to avoid distortion.

with a Midland LC59 high power 150w CB radio mobile magmount antenna 590mm length

And 2m Radio Yaesu FT-290R mk2
But then I received a Yaseu 2m radio from my dad which works etc and I put my Midland antenna in the back of it to see if I could get anything in which i did after a good hour or so but since I changed it back to my CB 3 days ago only my Cb radio has gone dead I cant find anyone live Its just silence but if I turn down the squelch i do get the background noise but thats it does anyone have any ideas on whats going on this started 23rd June up to now
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I'm not sure of this helps but my cb radio is running 4w and my 2m radio is 10w but the antenna can go as 150w so could this be the cb radio or the antenna giving me a hard time ?
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you will only be able to run 10w on the 2m radio when you get your licence.

you should have the squelch turned down to hear the background noise that way you will hear the people, the thing with cb there is not that many people on it and you wont get a great range out of it, this may explain it being dead.

the 2m radio will use a different antenna to the cb.

you will need to swr that antenna it may need adjusting in height, either by an alan key if you can vary it or cutting the length.
Edited by razor36, Friday, 26. June 2015, 12:44.
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As Razor, says, you would need a licence to TX on 2m. You can't go using the same antenna for different frequency radios, they have to be matched (frequency, not radio).

Although, at 59cm, it is probably a better match for 2m than 11m (CB) (that's a bit tongue in cheek, as it would be loaded, but it ain't far off the mark).

I'm not sure why you say CB is dead since you swapped the 2m, it would have been just as dead as that a week ago. There are very few average Joes on CB now, just people who have kept an interest in it on/off over the years, and know their stuff, as to what is required to have a chance of conversations with people.

Your antenna may look nice, but it is woefully short and inadequate for 11m. You need the right rig and the right aerial to stand a decent chance of regularly talking to people. 2m is different, it is very much a short range mobile-mobile mobile-base communication system - and before someone says -I DX on SSB 2m - I'm generalising for the aid of a new person.

I always hope that people will come here first or TM1 and seek advice prior to purchase, but that isn't how people do things, they always buy first, then seek out places to read up on it, join in the conversation.

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Oh dear deja-vu is happening again ;) .....they wont learn :doh:

there all experts within a week anyway
Edited by Nubster, Friday, 26. June 2015, 13:39.

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I'm aware I need my 2m licence which I'm doing next thursday I was told it would be fine to swap to see if it worked the Mic is not plugged in on my 2m radio so I just listened for less than 5mins then swapped back I'm aware that I need a proper antenna for my 2m which I will get when receiving my licence as it would be illegal for me to broadcast before that but none of which explains why my cb has just gone silent I get the background noise ie turning the squelch right down but hear no one where ever I stick I will have to check the antenna but I don't think it expands so I was going to purchase a siro4000pl for it as like you say the Midland is a mini antenna but I was on a bit of a budget you see and I've had it all for well over a month nearly two now I've always heard people from all over including eu USA Canada once from NZ so it was great till I did this test and I've checked everything from all connections to fuses but I don't own a swr meter so I will need to buy one of these I guess
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Friday, 26. June 2015, 14:20
I'm aware I need my 2m licence which I'm doing next thursday I was told it would be fine to swap to see if it worked the Mic is not plugged in on my 2m radio so I just listened for less than 5mins then swapped back I'm aware that I need a proper antenna for my 2m which I will get when receiving my licence as it would be illegal for me to broadcast before that but none of which explains why my cb has just gone silent I get the background noise ie turning the squelch right down but hear no one where ever I stick I will have to check the antenna but I don't think it expands so I was going to purchase a siro4000pl for it as like you say the Midland is a mini antenna but I was on a bit of a budget you see and I've had it all for well over a month nearly two now I've always heard people from all over including eu USA Canada once from NZ so it was great till I did this test and I've checked everything from all connections to fuses but I don't own a swr meter so I will need to buy one of these I guess
Well Justin, I did say TX and didn't mention RX on 2m and it doesn't matter about the mic, just don't key it. Until you get a call sign, no one will speak to you, because it is against their licence conditions and they risk theirs.

You're starting to give us a little more info to go on as regards the problem. First of all, forget the swapping of radios, that has (very unlikely) not caused your problem.

Yes, you need a SWR meter, probably a multimeter. A few physical checks would be good, condition of the cable, have you placed the antenna in the same place etc.

I do question some of your DX on that aerial. I never got NZ when I had a Sirio 4000, sitting on a hill 1400'asl. I've got a 102' antenna with 34' radiating centre line that sort of makes it 130' odd aerial in my garden, NZ doesn't come in for me too often.
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26 Charlie Tango 1752

Im afraid i don't have a multimeter either guess i have a few buys down the shop after this :( the cable is like new condition Ive tried extending the antenna but all i gained was a sad 2mm but its position has never changed as its always in the center of my cars roof everything connects like it should i think i should take some pictures so you can see what it all looks like as im sure that would be better, someone mentioned about maybe solar flares etc but that wouldn't just affect me would it it would be a wide spread thing but im no scientist so i will just go take some snaps etc for you
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you done well to get nz on a cb i cant get nz on my yaesu 450 yet lol

the best thing to do is start at the begining, use the cb and aerial you have but get a cheap swr meter about 10 quid, as hog said a little more info might give ppl ideas to help you out. :thumb:
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Friday, 26. June 2015, 11:31
So im new to CB etc so I went out and purchased a:

Team TS-6M CB RADIO
The brand new TS-6M is a full multi norm CB mobile radio of the latest generation. Conveniently, via key push, the user can switch between six available frequency norms, considering the different countries’ regulations. This feature makes the TS-6M Full Multi Norm the perfect companion for travels through entire Europe.
Due to its small dimensions, the TS-6M requires very little space. The elements are arranged in a clear order and are illuminated for better contrast in the dark.
The receiver reception of the TS-6M is outstanding. And for communication with stations in close proximity, the RF-Gain allows to lessen the receiver’s sensitivity to avoid distortion.

with a Midland LC59 high power 150w CB radio mobile magmount antenna 590mm length

And 2m Radio Yaesu FT-290R mk2
But then I received a Yaseu 2m radio from my dad which works etc and I put my Midland antenna in the back of it to see if I could get anything in which i did after a good hour or so but since I changed it back to my CB 3 days ago only my Cb radio has gone dead I cant find anyone live Its just silence but if I turn down the squelch i do get the background noise but thats it does anyone have any ideas on whats going on this started 23rd June up to now



I thought i was reading an advert on ebay........................... :rofl: :rofl: .
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What the hell is a 2 meter licence ???
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And radio has been in the family since morse ^o)
should of listened more to the family perhaps :shrug:

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Hi Justin,
I think the best thing to do next, is to either borrow, or buy an SWR meter (VSWR to give it it's proper name).
To be honest, I would never transmit on any antenna, even a brand new one, without first having an SWR meter inline, to check it is resonant and gives a safe low reflected reading.
Even brand new equipment may be faulty, the PL259 plug may not be soldered on correctly, and lets not forget the damn patch lead between meter and radio, which has been the cause of many operators problems !
The antenna does not sound like it is going to work very well at all on UK CB frequencies, it is very short, so I think you should try (if you can borrow) a more suitable antenna and see if your reception improves.
The most popular is the Sirio HP4000 or MW4000 (both very similar), they will work as good as any other mobile antenna, and you will be able to work long dx with one.
At the moment, the propagation is not really good enough to get very long distances, as we are in the summer E layer skip season, which usually brings in shorted DX mainly from Europe,
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Only advice I can give other than the replies already mentioned such as checking soldering on plugs etc is to park up close to a motorway and sit on channel 19 asking for a radio check. Normally a trucker will reply and confirm your signal and modulation. At least you should hear some TX.

I actually got a 19 radio check straight away on one of those crappy emergency handhelds which I was testing on Youtube. That only had a 3 foot telescopic whip but was getting out well so your system should do a lot better.

Best of luck.

If you want to see it here's the video on the emergency radio getting a check at 6m 10 sec.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm6yhu-V5aQ
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I bought a new antenna and swr meter etc and it turns out from further testing the cb radio was faulty so luckly it's got 1 year warranty on it so waiting for a new one to come in the post then I can hook it up and carry ok enjoying my new hobbie :) but thanks for the help guys and all the advice given
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Saturday, 4. July 2015, 18:41
I bought a new antenna and swr meter etc and it turns out from further testing the cb radio was faulty so luckly it's got 1 year warranty on it so waiting for a new one to come in the post then I can hook it up and carry ok enjoying my new hobbie :) but thanks for the help guys and all the advice given
Sounds like a result buddy. :clap:
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