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Topic Started: Friday, 14. June 2013, 21:44 (556 Views)
Axle Jack
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I have a possibly unanswerable question.

And I should point out that I do not mean this as any critisism of the Charlie Tango group, who are the finest example of the forwardisation of citizen bandery I have encountered.

There has been a global standard division number system for 11m since about... 1980? I think the world adopted the Alfa Tango system. (I bet that will make Aldo feel pretty smug)

But why do CB clubs issue member numbers (which of course are used as callsigns) starting at 001 for each division number? So in a club which attracts international membership, you could have several members with the same number. Only the division number is different.

Why dont clubs just start at 001 and give one number per member, and then the appropriate division number can be added by the member? Then if that member moves country all he does is swap prefix, and the suffix remains the same?

In amateur radio different countries are run by different radio authorities and they are bound by law to use the international system so each license is only valid for it own country. But CBers dont have licenses and official callsigns. We just do it how we like it.

I lived near the Scotland/England border, and could regularly work Wales, Isle of Mann and Northern Ireland while mobile on high ground near my home. So it was quite possible for a local CB club to have several members with the same number and they all lived in Great Britain. To add to the issue, I now live in Australia, but if using a CB club callsign while visiting home I have to sign as 43 division but suffix that with 108.

It strikes me that the system could have been much simpler. And it also strikes me as odd that all CB clubs do it the same non-simple way. Is there a reason?

Cheers all. And thanks for helping me indulge in my hobby of overthinking everything ;)
Jack 43CT006
CBer in Lockerbie and Dumfries in Scotland - 1981 to 1999.
Now in Australia.
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Sam WD40
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When I was euro truck driving I just used th country prefix that was in I couldn't be asred to say this is 16/26WD40mobile it was like ordering a Chinese meal by numbers but using my amateur call was a mouthful ON/M0SRWmobile was a pain !
[marq=Left]STOP READING MY CRAP GO GET SOME DX DONE ![/marq]

M0SRW
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IF YA NEIGHBOURS STILL TALK TO YOU GET A BIGGER ANTENNA !

Failure is not an option! BUT smashing it with a BIG hammer is :bash:

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VoG
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I agree the system is flawed, but it is generally adopted by a significant majority of 11m Groups, so we followed suit. Personally, I'd have preferred that the "Joining Number" became a Member's Call-sign identifier:
  • I was the 6th person to join this Group, so I would be XXx-CT-006 (with any Country Prefix)
  • Jack would be XXx-CT-2161
  • and Sam would be XXx-CT-747
That would make a much better system, BUT, a lot of Operators get quite adamant about having "Their" special number and even more would almost fight for a three-digit call. So in practice it would probably drive away quite a few people, or cause them to use a non "CT" Call on 11m.

However, if someone is a regular visitor to multiple Countries (or is spending an extended period abroad), we will issue multiple callsigns (where possible). As an example: I hold 26CT105 and 163CT105 because I live in Wales but I regularly travel over the Bridge to England.

But, obviously if someone has a three-digit non-England call-sign then the "26" Division is going to be already issued, as has happened with your own (Axle Jack) 43CT006, because 26CT006 is already issued to "Stonemason". Buit, if you did have a need to regularly visit England, and wanted a call-sign for both Australia and for England, then we could give you (for example) something like 26CT6006 AND 43CT6006

When CT was first launched we did actually issue sequential numbers, Lee was 100, Mick was 101, 102 and 103 left, Gary is 104 and I am 105, etc.. Those numbers were assigned regardless of the Country in which we were based. It lasted a little while, but it was not long at all before Members started requesting specific numbers and the sequential system went into the bucket. :)
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Axle Jack
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Thank for the reply Steve. I'd like to reiterate, I mean no critisism of CT. CT is merely following a long time convention set by many clubs before them. I happen to consider CT to top the all time league table of "CB clubs worth supporting". And I've been in CB for 32 years so I've seen a few clubs.

The member number system sounds good to me too.

I did kinda run a club once. I started the member numbers at 010 (single digits being for club events etc) and there would be a single system, regardless of country. In reality, there was less than ten members all in one country and it fizzled out after a couple of years. My plans to dominate the world CB scene was thwarted by my unfortunate habit of being to lazy to get off my fat arse and do stuff.

I spend one month in every eighteen in Scotland. Is that enough to get a 108 number issued?
Jack 43CT006
CBer in Lockerbie and Dumfries in Scotland - 1981 to 1999.
Now in Australia.
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Sam WD40
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Axle Jack
Saturday, 15. June 2013, 20:55

I did kinda run a club once. I started the member numbers at 010 (single digits being for club events etc) and there would be a single system, regardless of country.
Sounds a it like KP dx group where there is no country prefix just one big happy family !
[marq=Left]STOP READING MY CRAP GO GET SOME DX DONE ![/marq]

M0SRW
26-CT-747
IF YA NEIGHBOURS STILL TALK TO YOU GET A BIGGER ANTENNA !

Failure is not an option! BUT smashing it with a BIG hammer is :bash:

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Axle Jack
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Sam WD40
Saturday, 15. June 2013, 21:09
Sounds a it like KP dx group where there is no country prefix just one big happy family !
Do they have a website Sam?
Jack 43CT006
CBer in Lockerbie and Dumfries in Scotland - 1981 to 1999.
Now in Australia.
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Sam WD40
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Yea KP dx in google you will find it
[marq=Left]STOP READING MY CRAP GO GET SOME DX DONE ![/marq]

M0SRW
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IF YA NEIGHBOURS STILL TALK TO YOU GET A BIGGER ANTENNA !

Failure is not an option! BUT smashing it with a BIG hammer is :bash:

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Pigeon
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i go looking at the kp net i think its run by peter kp209. pirate radio 27mhz im sure its called
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VoG
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Personally I think that having country call signs is very useful for anyone with any interest in DX. Although a Divisionless club might be one-happy-family, it'd also be a pain to know where someone is calling from until you're into a QSO.

We don't have any set rules for who can or cannot have dual nationality CT Call-signs, other than the rules that we do not issue calls for a one-off fortnight-long holiday (purely because of the management effort required if many members want it). So, bearing that in mind, if anyone wants to request dual-nationality-call-signs, just contact an Admin via email or PM
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