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Ofcom to legalise AM and SSB CB apparatus
Topic Started: Friday, 19. October 2012, 15:02 (3,757 Views)
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Ofcom to legalise AM and SSB CB apparatus
Ofcom has announced that it intends to legalise AM and SSB CB apparatus, subject to the MOD agreeing to the use of spectrum allocated to it. According to the statement on the Ofcom website, the relevant ECC Decision about harmonising CB across Europe should probably be implemented in the UK by the end of 2013. The statement indicates that there are several legislative and other steps that must first be carried out. It also points out that, until these changes are implemented, it will remain an offence to install or use AM, SSB or any other CB apparatus other than in accordance with the current exemption regulations and Interface Requirement. The full Ofcom statement is at http://tinyurl.com/Ofcom-SSB-CB.
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Good news for the chaps out there as stated 30 years too late
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I still feel it is a case of "I'll believe it when I see it"[1]

I am surprised they're not saying that it will be made legal on 13 Dec 2012 (13/12/12). If they did then I would KNOW the Mayan Prophecies for the end of the world on 12/12/12 are to be taken seriously.
[1] No, not doubting Mark's statement, simply expressing a dubious belief that they'll pull their finger out before 2081 or something. "I will believe AM and SSB has been made legal in the UK only when I see it in print on the Ofcom Website"
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End of 2013 gives them time to come up with a reason not to go through with the introduction.....
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it says only if the MOD agree to the change!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! steve,
on ofcoms statement on the link.
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it will remain an offence to install or use AM, SSB or any other CB apparatus other than in accordance with the current exemption regulations and Interface Requirement.


So your 30 year old Cobra/Stalker/Ham Int, President etc will still be a no-no - not a big suprise is it. I will also only believe it when I see it but, like I've said before, I do not think it's a good idea if I'm honest.
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it says only if the MOD agree to the change!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Er, yeah...... This part of the spectrum is allocated to the MOD and whilst it's not used by them ATM this could change one way or the other I suppose.



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At least an offical statement of intent is better than an idle rumour. It suggests Ofcom is taking it seriously. We just have to allow the wheels and cogs to slowly turn.

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You may be committing an offence if it could be shown that you have and intend to use AM-only equipment or the AM/SSB element of multimode equipment before we change the legislation and the IR


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I got some AM/SSB kit off a bloke in the pub/eBay/mail order. Is it legal?
Equipment designed for use, for example, in the USA may well not conform to European requirements. Such equipment may not be used, even after the changes have been implemented. Any apparatus placed on the European market must bear the CE mark of conformity]


I was reading the link with great interest that rigs with a CE mark are allowed to be used on FM only at the moment and AM/SSB when regulations are changed. Excellent, I've just purchased a Jacko mk1 that has CE mark on the back and does the legal power. I'll just keep it on CEPT FM for now ;) I'm sure they had a CE certificate of compliance. And of course Jacko mk2 owners will be pleased :)

Not that people are going to use their old classics :D :o ;)
Edited by Radio Pixie, Friday, 19. October 2012, 18:12.
73 from Dave the Pixie 26CT052 - G7OPC - CB & Ham Radioaficionado :)

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Not that people are going to use their old classics :D :o ;)


This is the part I find funny, because people will do just that and by doing so remain a illegal pirate - so does it matter?
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Not that people are going to use their old classics :D :o ;)


This is the part I find funny, because people will do just that and by doing so remain a illegal pirate - so does it matter?
Matter to whom? Doesn't matter to me! As long as it doesn't harm none and the output is clean, let people use their 23ch/40ch American classics. After all, they were built to a standard including low pass filtering. Probably got better LP Filtering than some amateur gear. Since the US uses VHF television (including low band) the LP Filtering has to be very good. EMC problems of 30 odd years ago was more to do with the level of consumer electronic design than the interference from CB radios. As for 30 year old "export" radios, their specs can be quite suspect (not built to any national standards) and can be quite dirty on the output.
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Bless the British Government, always on the ball to represent the desires of the People that they represent. In 1979, 80 and 81, we the People, asked our chosen representatives (the MPs who speak on our behalf in the government of our Country) to amend OUR Laws and let us use CB Radios like they could in America.

And, LESS THAN THIRTY FIVE YEARS LATER, they're saying that they will put the wheels in motion to grant our wishes. I know Governments are slow, but that takes the biscuit.

I've never been a Pro-Europe Fan[1] but this time we do have to accept that if it wasn't for the EC, we would still have nothing other than FM Muppets and we would be sharing that with Churches, Synagogs, Mosques and probably the Womens' Institute broadcasting an hour long daily "knit-along with the W I"

I don't see why they can't accept that the old radios will be used regardless, and simply say that using the original radios (the 148s, the Concordes, the Stalkers) is legal. Perhaps put a clause in there to say that it must have a maximum output of XX watts PEP and make it an offense to use something that has been badly "screwdrivered" or similar. But I am afraid that would be too much like admitting defeat and we know that Ministry Staffers (the REAL people who run the place, like "Sir Humphrey Appleby" and his trusty assistant "Bernard" from "Yes, Minister") don't like to be seen to lose face.

So, yes, I think we can expect Joe Clean-cut
  • using an unmodified, unmolested 40 channel (CEPT FCC) Cobra 146 GTL with 12w PEP, through a flawless and clean GainMaster,
to remain as much of an Evil Pirate as the Muppet "Dwaine" next door
  • with his 23MHz to 34MHz Jumbo (that has been more screwdrivers than his Dwaine's sister Twacey has seen condoms), blasting Rap Music on the 10m[2] band through a Dirty 2Kw amp and a mismatched aerial





[1] It was the British Commonwealth that stood by us in two World Wars and IMHO we should have concentrated on creating a "Commonwealth Common Market" rather than joining an EEC
[2] and the 5m Band, the 4m, 3m, 2m, 130cm, . . . . 60cm, etc.
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Maybe I am missing the point here but aren't CEPT radios legal over here already? From 26.965 to 27.405 is what we are allowed to run on FM within the CEPT band ( mids ), so why would the UK have to consult with other CEPT member states, with regards to using those frequencies for AM/SSB if the CEPT members are already using it? I must admit I found that statement a little confusing (doesn't take a lot!!). :doh2:

I thought this was being dealt with, but had been delayed to the the Olympics, and the amount of temporary licences being issued? Now it's been pushed back another year!

The IR2027 comment was interesting. Again, I can't see what the issue is as the CEPT radios are already available to buy 'legally', although the comment about someone selling one with the knowledge that it could be used illegally was a bit of a farce, resulting in a potential prosecution!

Why do I get the feeling that if they had their way, they would legalise it, but on the stupid 12.5Khz UK frequencies?????? :headbang:

Sometimes I hate being a cynic, but as with most things in the world, someone is always looking to throw you a curve ball.

Reading the posting on the Ofcom site, you can see why things always end up so bloody expensive here! How many parties are there involved with a 'fairly' simple piece of legislation????? Mmmmm - The UK Govt, The ECC, CEPT, the MOD, Ofcom, European Member states, and European Parliament etc. The other comment I found amusing was the fact that CEPT decisions are not binding, but you have to go through the Euro Parliament to amend the IR2027, and then UK Parliament to amend it as well!!

How many people are getting fat off of a fairly benign piece of Legislation? :cigar:

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So at the last meeting of OFCOM it was once more brought up this subject. When the ERO announced the new norms for the "Pan EU Wide" use they took reports from manufacturers to state whether the new gear was fine or caused issues. Of course, they asked people who have a interest in the legal use of the bands.

Anyway to make a long story short.

a) UK as Well as the Netherlands have still OPTED OUT of the new norms ( At the present time )

They will indeed ask the ministry of defence to check and see if there are any harmonics issues with the new proposed legalisation

b) I know someone who was at the last meeting in Denmark and he told me yesterday via Skype " The UK prefers to have a new allowance of the novice license for amateur radio on pre determined and tested bands. This would be easier than to legalise something they don't want simply as the EU wants it"

IF it comes I think will be this time next year, and really is it needed? I would say it isn't needed. Those who want it, use it now. More often than not most of the people who want it legal will not BUY the new legal norm radios and prefer use there Cobra from 1981 so still remain illegal.

Czech Republic has now legal SSB and the stations there some of them told " we don't want it " as they believe it is a cheap way to force them into new equipment. So they remain mostly where they were way back, and not with the new standards in use
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Apart From working the USA legally, assuming people will use 12 watts which I doubt, I cant see any real use for it, at the moment there are 80 channels to use and there are only 4 used on a regular basis in my area.
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As we said back in the day, if everyone used it they would have to legalise it they couldn't possibly prosecute everyone as they would be going against the concept of democracy and it worked in Oz when they refused to buy a TV license they had to scrap it.

When are we going to learn the authorities derive the power from us if we revoke that power they have nothing........ :cheers:

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Ive got a Albrect AM/FM/SSB leagle CB, and it is sealed , and they say here when we get the green light next year we can use SSB, Iam english and i think its sad that mother England goes backwards instead of forward, If it was becouse of the MOD it doesent make sence becouse the british army has been over here so long and the Americans , and still we can use AM 4watts and hopefully next year 12 watts SSB, Its just politics no Freedom anymore , sad as CB is the peoples radio,
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