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Topic Started: Sunday, 30. October 2011, 20:27 (1,050 Views)
Miko
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keeping an eye on the shoutbox, as you do, and noted CJ's comments on a "26 Div" break call on 10m. Can imagine the horror on the faces of some of the "Old Timers". This then leads to the reverse situation where an M6 is calling on mid band using his M6 call.
Seem to remember when first obtaining my amateur call sign being a little peeved that my new licence didn't grant me access to the 11m band. Thinking about the current situation where UK cb fm is now licence free, is there any reason why a licenced amateur shouldn't use his allocated call on cb, providing he(or she) complies with current regs, or is this strictly a no no ? Am aware that it would be unlikely that many would want to, just wondering if it could be deemed illegal ? Maybe this would make a good talking point on top band, could also lead to a few cardiac probs!
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BigTone
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Question.
Is 27 MHz an Amateur Band?

Technically you would be transmitting "Out of Band" so the answer is no.
However no reason why you cannot mention in passing that you hold a Ham Licence.
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BigTone
Sunday, 30. October 2011, 23:53
Technically you would be transmitting "Out of Band" so the answer is no.
Interesting point.

Yes, you'd be transmitting out of band if you were using your Amateur Equipment, but would you be if you were using a kosher type-approved CB radio? I've not read the Licence to the level of detail to determine whether it specifically states "Amateur Bands" or just "Licenced Bands".

So, looked at another way, if you're entitled to use your "M" or "G" call-sign on the frequencies for which you are licenced then, provided you're tranmitting with legitimate "CB" equipment, you're licenced to use 11m (or even PMR446) and the call would be valid.

Mick is quite right though, there would be a few cardigans set-ablaze by erupting St.Bruno embers as the Old School (if it ain't morse on a hand key, then it ain't Proper Radio) splutter into their briar pipes.
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Ho hum bah whatevernext oh my, would probably be the response by some :) there is currently an argument
going on up here between the ham and cb community whereas some hams had a go at one ham for using cb
claiming he should not be on there selling an antenna or whatever it was.He rightly so argued the fact that cb
is licence free and open to anyone who wishes to use it but they werent happy.I dont know what its like in your
respected area but up here the cb users all know who is licenced and who is not as they all have hf sets or
scanners these days and listen to everything that is going on.You can have a conversation on 2 meters and within
an hour its known on the cb! so i would cautious about using my amateur call sign on 11m saying that i have nearly
slipped up a few times.

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scottydog
Monday, 31. October 2011, 14:28
there is currently an argument going on up here between the ham and cb community whereas some hams had a go at one ham for using cb claiming he should not be on there selling an antenna or whatever it was.
It is a crying shame that there are such narrow-minded, short-sighted, miserable people about. That is exactly the sort of behaviour that has led to ongoing CB-vs-Amateur arguments for years and it is absolute nonsense. As you've said, CB is licence-free and I certainly do not remember signing anything when I passed my Amateur Licence to say that I would give-up any Right to use CB or PMR446.

It really is snobbery of the worst sort as it causes animosity between two VERY close hobbies. If Amateurs want to pick an arguments with somebody, then pick on something totally different from their own passtime, like Football players or Darts Teams. Likewise if the CB group want a foe, then they should pick on SkyDivers, or Pigeon-fanciers or something.

I don't want to divert the thread to discuss the neverending, ongoing, inevitable Us-n-Them Radio Wars though. Particularly as we do rather well on Charlie Tango keeping the peace with ALL Radio Hobbyists equally enjoying the site, but it is true that in some areas it seems unwise to admit on either "side" that you indulge in the other.

Perhaps I have been fortunate, but in my locale it is not unusual for people to admit cross-interests. I've been asked on CB, "Do you operate on the Amateur Bands?" and have set-up a sked or two as a result and, equally, mentioning Charlie Tango during an Amateur QSO has raised the subject of CB during a conversation on the Amateur Bands. So hopefully, the rude snobs such as you mention are the exception rather than the rule.

But going back to the Thread Topic.... I fully accept it might be UNWISE to mention your Amateur Callsign on the CB Bands, but is it Illegal, Improper or just a Faux-pas / bad-form to do so?
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@ scotty u probably hear all the crap i put up around here lol im in ferryhill and when i listen around sorry for my language its complete Bu****** .
it realy annoys me on CB round here because its like a battle of the EGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cant realy comment on HAM bands cause ive only just got my call sign


long story short, its all bloody radio why dont you all grow up and get rid of your ego and get on with each other like "RADIO OPERATORS". ( thats what i want to say with some of that russian equiptment and splatter all over the bands with 50kw so everyone hears :D)
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Roy2812
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Monday, 31. October 2011, 16:41


It really is snobbery of the worst sort as it causes animosity between two VERY close hobbies. If Amateurs want to pick an arguments with somebody, then pick on something totally different from their own passtime, like Football players or Darts Teams. Likewise if the CB group want a foe, then they should pick on SkyDivers, or Pigeon-fanciers or something.

I don't want to divert the thread to discuss the neverending, ongoing, inevitable Us-n-Them Radio Wars though. Particularly as we do rather well on Charlie Tango keeping the peace with ALL Radio Hobbyists equally enjoying the site, but it is true that in some areas it seems unwise to admit on either "side" that you indulge in the other.


It seems that since the rehash of the Amateur licensing system and the demise of the A vs B license argument broadly based on the "bleepin" snobbery, that the CB/Amature divide has become worse than ever. Never saw the sense in it myself as both my other half and I use our calls on all of the legal bands and have done so since licensed in 82. The only problem is that one can get drawn into "can you check out my xyz rig as it's etc etc. We spent quite a few years getting CBers through the RAE and later NRAE and have never ever been ashamed of the fact that we both used CB before we were licensed - indeed it's how we first met. I have worked for weeks - day in and day out with guys using CB and others working the amateur bands in emergency situations like for example the Sea Empress disaster. I say "guys using CB" for a very good reason. We never asked if they were Licensed Amateurs, indeed why would we.

I guess that as in face to face conversations there are some people you would not want to pass the time of day with no matter what they were using. However no one will stop me using my call as and when I feel so inclined.

I notice that we have a couple of "sticky" posts on the forum that mention "some people use CB and others Amateur Radio". Nothing about those of us - probably in the majority truth be told who use both http://z1.ifrm.com/static/emo/2.png

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Radio Pixie
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Hi Miko

I can't see any legal reason why an amateur can't use their callsign on the CB radio. It doesn't matter if someone has an amateur license or not, a CB user is a CB user and has to use legal type approved equipment for the CB service. CB'er can call themselves what they like. So I could use G7OPC for my handle is I want to. I prefer Dave the Pixie myself as it goes with the sub-culture of CB radio. But an already been mentioned it may not be a good idea of using an amateur callsign as it's not a format that Cb'ers use. We use division system callsigns and :muppet: handles, or just plain ol' first names.

I have to admit I've been on 10 metres and accidently shouted 26, then stopped myself quickly and carried with G7OPC. And vice versa. Just take a deep breath and carry on.

Not getting into the boring arguement of CB vs OM. It all has it's pros and cons, and i use what feels right at the time. So very little contradiction in my mind.

Cheers

Dave the Pixie ;)
73 from Dave the Pixie 26CT052 - G7OPC - CB & Ham Radioaficionado :)

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Monday, 7. November 2011, 21:20
CB'er can call themselves what they like. So I could use G7OPC for my handle is I want to.
I suppose it might get interesting if SOMEONE ELSE called themself G7OPC on the CB Bands?

Technically/Legally any G7 call would be meaningless on CB and, as you've said, there is no requirement or mandate for any formal identification so G7OPC is (in the most literal sense) no different from R8WOD or X2PQL.

The degree of self-management and compliance-with-convention on the CB bands is actually amazing. The calling channel(s), the unwritten code-of-practice, the Italian "Division Codes", the (few) Q-Codes and 10-Codes are universally adopted as is (pretty much, but maybe excluding the USA) the general format of callsigns as DIV-CLUB-NUMBER. I've made the exception of the USA as, internally, there are a lot of the "Station XYZ" type call-signs there . . . but there are also a heck of a lot of the regular 2-XX-123 calls there too.

Just to be clear - I'm not knocking America, but there do seem to be a number of people there that are almost entirely unaware that anything exists beyond their borders, which perhaps explains the unique-to-America "internal Callsigns" thing. Just read the "newspaper" USA-Today and a Major earthquake in Germany, or a Revolution in Australia, would be lucky to make it to page ten, well behind "Library in Boise, Idaho gets three new books" and "man in Rapid City fined $7 for jay-walking" :)

But I digress . . . . as Kevin Turvey used to say . . . .

Considering the use of call-signs on the 11m CB bands is self-managed and unpoliced, there are remarkably few incidents of impersonation, inadvertent or deliberate. So although someone COULD use another person's Amateur Callsign as the CB "Handle", I don't suppose there's really any reason to do so. Unless, of course, it was done out of spite, and someone called themself (for example) G7OPC while dead-keying, DJing, and shouting abuse and profanity, simply to cause trouble.

But even in that scenario it is unlikely anything would come of it. Most of us have heard the stories of a certain "gentleman" in London who hogs repeaters and shouts and swears at any stations daring to use HIS band. His callsign is well known, but nothing ever seems to be done.
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I think any hobby is all about passing on good information,especially to the young or people just starting out in whatever it is they are involved in,we are only passer's of knowledge,but Radio is kind of like being on the road's sometimes,because someone has an old banger,but the vehicle is perfectly legal,being looked down on from the person in a brand new motor that cost £100,000 or more,as being less important and inferior to them,but it happen's in all area's I think Lindsay,as I once heard an Amateur saying to another "Yeah he's just a typical IQ zero" which is a referral to cb radio user's,but the only person with the IQ ZERO was actually him,as he was talking on one of the U.K 40 f.m channel's,I think if I was an Amateur(going for my foundation at the start of 2012) I would/will play it safe and only use the callsign when on the proper band's for what it was intended to be used on :thumb:
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