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New Cb Standard Comes 24.06.2011
Topic Started: Wednesday, 29. June 2011, 14:39 (4,658 Views)
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another artical has apeared this time in Practical Wireless, again no mention of the UK opting out of the new EU wide allocation and the artical even states that from October 1st 2011 that SSB will be legal on FM Mid band in the British Isles is a pretty big statement coming from an amature radio monthly mag they also posted a website link in the artical "" Clicky Click "" so I think may be heads are slowly starting to pop out of the sand B)
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Ste03
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Radio User magazine contacted ofcom before publishing september's issue uk ssb will be legal from late next year not october.
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Tead that myself and I believe it too but a least we are getting AM/SSB
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If that is the case I will have to dig out my old AM Kraco :rig: and get it back in good working order.

For legal purposes I better say before someone else says it won't be type approved. Some people are boring, get a life :wack: LOL ;)
73 from Dave the Pixie 26CT052 - G7OPC - CB & Ham Radioaficionado :)

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Friday, 19. August 2011, 19:48
If that is the case I will have to dig out my old AM Kraco :rig: and get it back in good working order.

For legal purposes I better say before someone else says it won't be type approved. Some people are boring, get a life :wack: LOL ;) -

There will be others digging their old am/ssb rigs out of the cupboards/attics of course they won't be type approved to the new european standard does it really matter anyway.
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Saturday, 20. August 2011, 09:03
of course they won't be type approved to the new european standard does it really matter anyway.
Surely it matters to some degree?

I accept that there is a matter of degree of compliance, but any station either operates within the licence* or not. There's no such thing as thing as "almost legitimate" or "a little bit illegal".
If a station is willing to operate beyond, or without compliance to, the licence then that's in legal terms that's no different from Freebanding on T5 or even Echo Charlie. So whether SSB is legalised in the UK is irrelevant.
OK, if "son of Buzby" hears a SSB transmission now on 11m they know it is a Jolly-Roger-Station (Aaaarrrr!) but when (or if) we're allowed SSB on 11m here then simply intercepting a sideband TX on Mids wouldn't indicate whether the user was kosher or not as there'd be no way of telling if the Tranmitter is type approved. So from that point of view it doesn't really matter. But if you invite Ofcom into your shack because to investigate a QRM issue or something then your station really should be seen to be fully legitimate - that'd exclude non-type approved SSB sets, and (technically) it'd even include things like Harriers, Yorks and Binatones Modified for Mid Block.

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Some people are boring, get a life
I don't mean to be boring, but I do think it is important that people (especially youngsters or people new to the hobby) are given the Facts. Then they can make an informed decision.


* Before anyone jumps up and down and says there's no CB Licence, there is. But it is a general Ofcom Licence that individuals do not need to apply for.
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ste03
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of course they won't be type approved to the new european standard does it really matter anyway.
Surely it matters to some degree?

I accept that there is a matter of degree of compliance, but any station either operates within the licence* or not. There's no such thing as thing as "almost legitimate" or "a little bit illegal".
If a station is willing to operate beyond, or without compliance to, the licence then that's in legal terms that's no different from Freebanding on T5 or even Echo Charlie. So whether SSB is legalised in the UK is irrelevant.
OK, if "son of Buzby" hears a SSB transmission now on 11m they know it is a Jolly-Roger-Station (Aaaarrrr!) but when (or if) we're allowed SSB on 11m here then simply intercepting a sideband TX on Mids wouldn't indicate whether the user was kosher or not as there'd be no way of telling if the Tranmitter is type approved. So from that point of view it doesn't really matter. But if you invite Ofcom into your shack because to investigate a QRM issue or something then your station really should be seen to be fully legitimate - that'd exclude non-type approved SSB sets, and (technically) it'd even include things like Harriers, Yorks and Binatones Modified for Mid Block.

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Some people are boring, get a life
I don't mean to be boring, but I do think it is important that people (especially youngsters or people new to the hobby) are given the Facts. Then they can make an informed decision.


* Before anyone jumps up and down and says there's no CB Licence, there is. But it is a general Ofcom Licence that individuals do not need to apply for.
to true steve get the info first before jumping the band wagon. ps and we are not boring we have alot of knowledge that can be used . :clap: :thumb: :cheers: :pirate:
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Re: Boring

Come on lads, relax it's just a joke :whistle:

Putting my very serious pixie hat on, is the new Euro CB standard a step forward?

Mid band/CEPT/FCC band is such a noisy part the radio spectrum will it be worth it?

What is the technical advantages and disadvantages between AM & FM (referring to modes not frequency bands) for CB use?

Also considering the idea behind CB radio is simple and low cost communications, how does SSB fit into this?

What if Ofcom says ok then lads you can have multimode operation on mid band but goodbye UK CB band, how would you respond to this?

Wouldn't time and effort be spent on a UHF CB system, like used in Australia, be more useful especially for local/mid distant contacts?

Or even develop CB into the digital age, in a greater or lesser degree.

I do have an open mind and far as I'm concerned people can basically do and use what they like as long as it doesn't interfere with others. I do realise that it is a hobby for many and not a formal means of communication, but if you wish to use SSB and/or with higher powers and/or be an experimenter, why not just get an amateur radio licence?

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Dave
73 from Dave the Pixie 26CT052 - G7OPC - CB & Ham Radioaficionado :)

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Thursday, 30. June 2011, 19:08
Time to get out of the EU altogether IMO.
No, no no... get out, and there's absolutely no chance of having what our neighbours get. At least, while we are in the EU, we have a fighting chance. Yes, I know the EU sucks in many other respects, but a unified CB structure would be most welcome, m'lud.

Anyway, I thought it was to be legal, from 2012 or summin' ?

Not being a CB'er per se, I don't really keep up. However, if 11m SSB is to be legalised, then I'm holding onto my Imax2000!
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While were waiting to find out what we are and arent getting along the lines of radio,maybe if were allowed to have the same thing's radio wise as the rest of the E.U,do you think the power's that be in the UK will decide if we'll get the same as Amsterdam aswell hahaha :whistle: :D :thumb:
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Whilst we wait for the new european ssb standard which current radios will be type approved?
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If left to the powers that be probably none of them! (more money) for new gear.

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Only radios type approved to the new ssb standard are the president jackson2 and the albrecht ae2990afs in cb default,there could be more due out soon but at what price.
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Sunday, 21. August 2011, 08:42
Only radios type approved to the new ssb standard are the president jackson2 and the albrecht ae2990afs in cb default,there could be more due out soon but at what price.
I dont see how any present radios can be type approved as the uk has not fully
decided on what or even if they are going to implement so i wouldnt be getting
to excited look at the rubbish FM frequencys we got.

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After another night on the radio well into the night,another CT member and myself have been talking about the arrival sometime of the awaited legal s.s.b's and the use of A.M,a few of the point's that were discussed and one's that seem to have been overlooked were as follow's,the power's that be done away with the use of A.M in 1981,although it was never allowed anyway,and I find it a bit strange that we will be going backward's to something that was never allowed or encouraged,but the main point that I pointed out was the fact that I think it is going to be very unfair if operator's who have not sat a test will be able to use 12 watt's on Sideband's when people who have sat the foundation course are only allowed to use 10 watt's on the permitted band's.I just wanted to point this out as it seem's very strange that someone can purchase a radio and use more power that has not passed the foundation course,compared to someone who has.If this proposal does eventually go through sometime in the future I think it is only fair that people who have passed the Foundation course will be allowed to use say 20 watt's because of the effort that has been put in by themselves.I would be interested to see what the other CT member's think of the situation that will arise because of the U.K. following the E.U directive concerning the use of this power,and will it eventually end up with operator's needing to be licensed on S.B's although at present it is called Freeband,cheer's Keith :thumb:
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The Foundation does however give access to a multitude of different bands plus directional aerials are permitted - 10w into a beam will give a much greater ERP than 12w into a vertical, so there is still considerable reward for those who choose to go down the Amateur path ;)

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Saturday, 27. August 2011, 23:06
will it eventually end up with operator's needing to be licensed on S.B's although at present it is called Freeband
I cannot honestly see there being any chance of the Government trying to make that happen.

I know they do dumb things (that's just part and parcel of being a Government) but to Mandate a requirement for Licences on a Band that is currently occupied by self-confessed Pirates ( :pirate: "Aaaarrrr !!") would be monumentally stupid even by Whitehall and Downing Street Standards. Trying to Licence Freeband would simply mean that the existing occupants add "unlicenced" to their existing list of heinous crimes: "illegal broadcasting"; "non-legal Power" / "non-legal Mode" / "non legal Frequency".

Let's just say, for a laugh, that the Government DID legalise the High Band (including 27.555) for Single Side Band use, on type approved Kit (maximum 12w SSB Peak), and maybe to put the icing on the cake, let's say you need to go to the Post Office (or apply online) to buy a licence to do it.
What percentage of existing Freebanders are going to give up their 100w Kenwoods, Icoms and Yaesus? Retire their 50w, 100w, 200, 300 500, 600w Burners? Dump their President Lincolns, Stalkers, Superstars, Galaxys and Rangers and then go out and pay £300 for a 12w badly-built "UK Legal President George Dubya" ? It'll be the "dubya" because a lot of words will come out of it but most will be meaningless, and it won't do much else but make noise.

No, they'd just carry on using non-type approved kit and their power levels would remain well over the 12w. So what'd be the point of legalising it?

In 1981 a lot of people wanted to USE CB but were put off my the fact that AM was illegal. So when a (bad) legal alternative was offered, they took it. But now, most people on the T5 are there because they are enthusiasts who enjoy the whole Worldwide 27.555 Freeband fraternity (apologies to any ladies reading). Having an alternative UK SSB band, as happened in 1981 just wouldn't work.
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The President George will be legal too 40 ch am,fm,ssb version approved already has been for years and meets the requirements of the new standard.
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The President George will be legal too 40 ch am,fm,ssb version approved already has been for years and meets the requirements of the new standard.
I think the point that ScottyDog is making is that ANY currently approved radios such as the Jackson II etc can only be complaint with the relevant European Standard that was in place three or four years ago.

IF the UK Government implements a new British "PR27" Standard it COULD be subtly different from the European one, for example demanding a 10w maximum power (to co-incide with the Foundation Licence perhaps), or demanding SSB only be legal on the UK "27/81" frequencies or something.

So, until any British Standard is formally announced, NO radio can be considered compliant as nobody yet knows what Rules the radio with have to comply with in the UK
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Like Steve says we do need to wait for the final decision before jumping to any conclusions. I'm not sure it will be a 'good' thing but again we do need to wait. One upside I do hope will happen is a new bread of ultra modern multimodes, from China, detatchable front, that sort of thing becoming avaliable. Be nice if they can be extended to cover more of the 11 mtr band though :pirate: :whistle:

Off topic but just to comment on what Keith said about Foundation holders being allowed more power. Well they can... Its called the 'Intermediate'.
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